New Stock Street Tire class: Are we going to implement that in NER?

[batchman]

Jeff,

There are many people that have no interest in running in an index class.  

Agreed, Paul.  There is no reason a well subscribed class can't race and be within an index framework.

Best,
- Jeff

[Bob Davis]

Just to be clear, a discussion about the national RT classes will be on the agenda for tonight's meeting, but we will not go down the road of creating PAX factors for road tires within established classes. Just wanted to clarify before anyone gets too excited or does any real work on this.

[rtp.rick]

Gus, to be clear - this whole thread is only about Stock.  SP and SM are not invited to the street tire classes (if they come about)


That would have to be figured out.  I am sure that there is a modifier that Rick Ruth could provide for Stock Street tired vehicles.  I've seen .95 being used as a multiplier elsewhere.

I've not seen a .950 modifier used anywhere.  The two most popular are .980 and .975.  I have recommended the .975 Street Tire Equalizer as being the more realistic one.  I have worked on arriving at that factor for almost five years.  I have not really been in favor using the "equalizer" and have not really added it to the "Official" PAX/RTP material.  I think the Road Tire folks need to run prepared for Stock Category, in other words, get "R" compounds, or accept where they fall.  It seems that opinion may have to be adjusted, we'll see.  I don't expect a multiplier to be ussed at the National events ever.  A multiplier may come into play at the Evolution Events.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

[rtp.rick]

RT is a class supported by the SCCA.  All of the reasons have already been discussed as to why it's a good thing, if for no other place, than at the regional level.  RT is very simple, it's a pax class using stock class PAX indexes with an additional street tire multiplier.

The National Road Tire classes will not use any additional Street Tire Multiplier for their Index factor.  Since, at Tours, no other class uses an Index factor, there is no nee to try and "equalize" the RT group to any other.  There is also no "overall" scoring used at Pro Solos, so there will be no additional multiplier used there either.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

[Forcednduckshn]

The National Road Tire classes will not use any additional Street Tire Multiplier for their Index factor.  Since, at Tours, no other class uses an Index factor, there is no nee to try and "equalize" the RT group to any other.  There is also no "overall" scoring used at Pro Solos, so there will be no additional multiplier used there either.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

Understood that that is the case for the short term.  But what about the future?  Will your PAX eventually (over the coming years) be addressed so that RT cars can view their pax performance against the whole?  Or is the plan to just leave the RT pax multipliers the same as their R-compound counterparts indefinitely?

(Not saying I care one way or the other, just curious, I thought I read somewhere online that you would be tailoring the RT Pax multipliers with data coming back from the national events after each calendar year, as normal for every other class...) 

[rtp.rick]

Arriving at a meaningful set of Index factors for each Stock class fitted with street tires will be very difficult, probably impossible.  Right now there are only 8 cars entered in the Road Tire classes at the Dixie Tour and that's split up among only a few classes.  That's a start, but not nearly enough to begin a whole new group of factors.  For regular classes I get hundreds of cars in each class.  Even if the Road Tire class is wildly successfull (say 10-15 cars in each group), that will still only be a few cars from each class.

Whether a "Street Tire Equalizer Multiplier" will ever be used at the National events is not up to me.  The selection to use the PAX/RTP factors for Road Tire and the Pro Solos is/was entirely decided by the National Office.  I was not consulted about any of it.  I may be involved in creating a new and different set of factors for Pro Solos, but that's not clear at this time.  Data from the Pro Solos is still very limited when compared to all of the regular Solos throughout the country.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

[dhcernese]

I'm late to this discussion.  I will volunteer one factoid from personal experience.  A friend of mine drives a sporty car and has gone to a novice driving school and one event.. ..and is of the opinion that he probably won't compete on a regular basis because it doesn't have a budget for R-comp.. ..if he could drive to the event (stock class), compete, and drive home, he would be a member.  I don't know how many of those there are, but you can add 1.

 

[solo-x]

I'm late to this discussion.  I will volunteer one factoid from personal experience.  A friend of mine drives a sporty car and has gone to a novice driving school and one event.. ..and is of the opinion that he probably won't compete on a regular basis because it doesn't have a budget for R-comp.. ..if he could drive to the event (stock class), compete, and drive home, he would be a member.  I don't know how many of those there are, but you can add 1.

 

Well, he can do that now. Has he started coming to events now?

[dhcernese]

I didn't know and he didn't know until last week.. ..and being summer with a wife and existing plans already, ...no... I haven't been able to drag him out yet.  It will happen...